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Here's a puzzle for the Doctor Who scholars.

I had a kind of indirect exposure to The Doctor very, very early in the history of the show. Allow me to explain.

My dad was born in a small town in Scotland. He moved to Rochester, New York when he was about 11. By the Sixties, he was living in Detroit.

Kindly relatives in the Auld Country, when they were finished reading the Sunday tabloids, would bundle them up and mail them across the Atlantic to my grandfather in Rochester. He enjoyed reading about football and other news of Scotland.

When he was finished, Grandpa would bundle up the tabloids and mail them to my father in Detroit.

When my father was finished, I got to read them. I cared nothing for football, then or now, but I loved comic strips.

Thus I became a fan of the comics in the Sunday Post. I understand Oor Wullie still sits on his bucket every Sunday, and The Broons are still going out to the But 'n Ben. Puzzling out the Scots dialect was a challenge for my grade-school reading skills, but Li'l Abner and Pogo had prepared me to succeed.

The Sunday Mail also carried comics; I believe I first encountered Andy Capp there.

There's a memory that's bugging me. I recall that the Mail ran a comic strip, for only a few weeks, that featured a dumpy-looking scientist with unruly black hair, and strange-looking robots. I was intrigued. Eventually I came to understand that this strip was a parody of a TV show called Doctor Who, to which the papers occasionally referred, and that the robots were Daleks. I can't recall whether they were called Daleks in the strip.

Unlike, say, Supercar --to which I was addicted around this time-- Doctor Who was not one of the shows seen in the U.K. that was available on our screens in the U.S. I probably didn't see the real thing until the mid-1970s.

Wikipedia tells me that the Daleks were introduced in December of 1963, and that they became quite popular.

So: What was the parody comic strip I read in the Sunday Mail? Who drew it? When did it appear?

Surely every detail of Doctor Who, and the ephemera surrounding it, has been documented somewhere on the Web. Someone must know the answers to these questions.

Date: 2012-12-11 01:11 am (UTC)
scarfman: (scarfman)
From: [personal profile] scarfman

Parody strips are outside my ken, but are you certain the comics you remember weren't about the actual second Doctor and the actual Daleks? Because there were such comics. Well, I'm certain there were 1960s Doctor Who comics; I'm not certain the Daleks were in them, because the Daleks have always been copyrighted separately.

Date: 2012-12-11 01:30 am (UTC)
ext_63737: Posing at Zeusaphone concert, 2008 (That's It boater)
From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
...are you certain the comics you remember weren't about the actual second Doctor and the actual Daleks?

I think it was too jokey to be the real thing, but let's not rule out the idea.

I seem to remember that the character wore an overcoat, or something like it. Does that sound like the second Doctor?

Date: 2012-12-11 11:11 am (UTC)
scarfman: (scarfman)
From: [personal profile] scarfman
Troughton wore a cutaway frock coat. In his first few episodes he wore a shapeless tall hat that was just too tall to be taken seriously, too; and, though he stopped doing that onscreen almost immediately, the contemporary Doctor Who comics portrayed the Doctor with it till Troughton left the part. If you don't remember the hat, then (assuming you're talking about the late 60s, when Troughton was the current tv Doctor) the comics you remember weren't the licensed Doctor Who comics of the day.

Date: 2012-12-11 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com
Dark hair says "Patrick Troughton", who, as you know, didn't start until 1966. So that helps with the dating.

Is Nicholas Whyte [livejournal.com profile] nwhyte on your LJ radar? If he doesn't know, I don't know who would.

Date: 2012-12-11 01:42 am (UTC)
ext_63737: Posing at Zeusaphone concert, 2008 (That's It boater)
From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
He's on my radar, but I don't think he reads my blog. Will send a note.

Date: 2012-12-11 02:08 am (UTC)
timill: (default jasper library)
From: [personal profile] timill
Jim Barker would be my choice to ask, but I don't have any contact info at all.

Tim

Date: 2012-12-11 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rono-60103.livejournal.com
tardis.wikia.com confirms that TV Comic ran at least one 2nd Doctor story featuring The Daleks (see http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor_Strikes_Back) - at least if the one frame shown is from that story as there is nothing else on the page to judge by.

However, I could find no indication either on tardis.wikia.com or en.wikipedia.com that TV Comic was ever bundled with any newspapers, or that any of its strips were separately published in papers. But, it might not be beyond conception that some issues of TV Comic somehow found the way into your grandfather's newspaper shipments.

Date: 2012-12-11 03:39 am (UTC)
ext_16733: (beltane-blue)
From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
If it was played for laughs, it probably wasn't TV Comic (or TV 21 for that matter): they always seemed to keep the funny stuff separate.... Oh, and the Dalek speech bubbles had their own particular font.

Date: 2012-12-11 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
I probably didn't see the real thing until the mid-1970s.

According to Wikipedia, Doctor Who ran in US syndication in the early 1970s with the Jon Pertwee serials, but didn't do well, in part because some stations didn't treat it as a continuing serial and aired episodes in haphazard order. The popular PBS run began in 1978, with Tom Baker episodes.

But I distinctly remember seeing a tiny bit of one of the Pertwee Auton serials, either Spearhead from Space or Terror of the Autons, sometime in the 1970s and being sufficiently freaked out that I didn't watch Doctor Who again for a long time. I'm not sure when it was, though.

Date: 2012-12-11 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derekl1963.livejournal.com
ISTR seeing Tom Baker as Doctor Who in the mid 70's as well. At least by then it was well enough known that in my Sophomore year (78-79) I knew two girls who were rabid fans of the show and had been for some time.

Date: 2012-12-11 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
If it was Spearhead, the reason I'd been curious and tuned in may have actually been that it was the earliest moment Doctor Who had ever aired in my area. I'd certainly never heard of it before.

Date: 2012-12-11 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] planettom.livejournal.com
All this reminds me of, growing up in Columbus, Ohio, the Columbus Dispatch ran this strange British scifi comic strip called JEFF HAWKE. Wikipedia informs me it stopped publishing in 1974, but these strips had to be a few years later, maybe it was bouncing around in syndication.

Date: 2012-12-11 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
Jeff Hawke was great fun - there have been Titan collections of the strip, not sure how many.

Date: 2012-12-12 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martin-wisse.livejournal.com
Two. I've got both.
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Date: 2012-12-11 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
My interest in Oor Wullie was enhanced because both I and my grandpa were named William. Grandpa sometimes referred to himself as "Willy," and he used some of the strange vocabulary I also saw in the dialect strip. "I ken it noo, I ken it noo."

Date: 2012-12-11 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com
"Oor Wullie, your Wullie, a'body's Wullie!" which sounds very rude to a southerner.

Date: 2012-12-12 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henrytroup.livejournal.com
I have the 60th Anniversary "The Broons and Oor Wullie 1936-1996" It's classic comic rules, that nothing much has changed in 60 years.

Date: 2012-12-11 02:50 pm (UTC)
ext_63737: Posing at Zeusaphone concert, 2008 (That's It boater)
From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
Do we know anybody who's an expert on Scottish newspaper comics? Are there Web sites about this?

Date: 2012-12-13 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apostle-of-eris.livejournal.com
Are there Web sites about this?
It's not like you to seriously ask silly questions.

Date: 2012-12-11 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
There seems to be no mention I can find online of Doctor Who parody comics from earlier than the mid-1970s. You may be remembering something truly obscure, and of great interest to fans.

Date: 2012-12-11 03:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-11 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaeldthomas.livejournal.com
I'm afraid I can't help you. It sounds like the Troughton comics from TV Comics, but I can't find any record of those being reprinted in the Sunday Mail. The person most likely to know is Paul Scoones. His book The Comic Strip Companion: The Unofficial and Unauthorised Guide to Doctor Who in Comics: 1964 — 1979 is the definitive work on the subject.

Contact:
http://paulscoones.blogspot.com/

Good luck!

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